Why no CBC on DISH?

[snow]

There are tons of Spanish stations south of the border on DISH, but no
Canadian channels like CBC. CBC would be a good choice as it is Canada's
national network. There must be a reason why Charlie won't add CBC.
I would think the ratings would be good since it is just north of us.
Charlie could add several local CBC broadcasts from cities like Montreal,
Calgary, and Vancouver. Naw, it won't ever happen. Probably related to $$.

[John Lodge]

Snow,

The real reason is that CBC holds syndicated rights for LOTS and LOTS
of US programing but only for Canada. If CBC were on Dish then ALL US
syndicated programing would have to be blacked out as well as Hockey
Night (Yeah, I know that NHL is locked out, but this is just another
problem) in Canada and some other content.

In the end the channel would be swiss cheese with Hours and Hours per
day displaying nothing but a Dialog box that the show or content was
blacked out. This would generate thousands of calls of complaints as
well as the added cost of those 800 calls and time of the CSR's to
explain this over and over and over again.

John

Post by snow
There are tons of Spanish stations south of the border on DISH, but no
Canadian channels like CBC. CBC would be a good choice as it is Canada's
national network. There must be a reason why Charlie won't add CBC.
I would think the ratings would be good since it is just north of us.
Charlie could add several local CBC broadcasts from cities like Montreal,
Calgary, and Vancouver. Naw, it won't ever happen. Probably related to $$.

[Patty Winter]

Post by John Lodge
The real reason is that CBC holds syndicated rights for LOTS and LOTS
of US programing but only for Canada.

It does? The only U.S. show I can think of that CBC runs is "Wonderful
World of Disney." Oh yeah, and they also do reruns of "The Simpsons."
What other U.S. programming do they carry?

(And yes, hockey would probably be an issue, but only part of the year.)

Post by John Lodge
In the end the channel would be swiss cheese with Hours and Hours per
day displaying nothing but a Dialog box that the show or content was
blacked out.

I'm counting half an hour per weekday of the Simpsons and two hours on
Sunday for WWWoD. That's 4.5 hours a week. Where are you getting the
"hours and hours per day" figure?

Post by John Lodge
This would generate thousands of calls of complaints as
well as the added cost of those 800 calls and time of the CSR's to
explain this over and over and over again.

Has that been the case with the U.S. channels such as SpikeTV
that have had to black out certain shows when those channels
are shown in Canada? Have Rogers and Bell and StarChoice had
to add CSRs to handle the flood of calls from angry "Star
Trek" fans?


Patty

[Patrick Martin]

There are brokers that you can sub to ExpressVu or Star Choice in the
US. Many do. There is a lot of neat Canadian programming you can't find
elsewhere too. It is well worth the cost. The Canadian nets like CBC,
CTV and Global run a ton of US shows though.It all comes down to
copyright issues. Also when you sub to Star Choice or ExpressVu, you get
TV stations from across the country. No rules up there on your DMA.
Canadians don't worry about losing distants or any such nonsense. Infact
when you buy the Essentials for about $30 a month with Star Choice with
close to 100 channels, you get your choice of one US city for US nets
too (ABC,NBC,CBS,FOX, and PBS). (Detroit, Rochester, Seattle, or
Spokane) With Canadian TV, you get your cake AND can eat it too. Plus,
you can also sub for an extra 99 cents, BBC World.

Patrick

[R***@webtv.net]

What is StarChoice and ExpressVu and how do you get one of these.

[John Lodge]

Post by R***@webtv.net
What is StarChoice and ExpressVu and how do you get one of these.

Rincon,

Both Starchoice and Expressvue are Canada's DBS service. Legally you
can only subscribe to either or if you live in Canada. With that said
their are lots of Brokers that will help you subscribe by giving you a
Canadian Address to have the Bill set too and they will forward it to you.

If you have friends in Canada then use their address (assuming you they
don't have either or service). You will have to do your own install though.

John

[[e-mail]]

But the fact is that nobody wants to put the customer in a position of
being angry because he cannot see what his guide says is coming on. For
example, there are Diana Krall fans in the USA and if her shows on CBC
are blacked out here, they will be angry with the satellite provider
about it. Why not just spring for the extra $20 (US) a month and get
ExpressVu? We love it! And you get the USA east AND west (Boston and
Seattle) stations too!!

[Bill_Gates]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by John Lodge
The real reason is that CBC holds syndicated rights for LOTS and LOTS
of US programing but only for Canada.

It does? The only U.S. show I can think of that CBC runs is "Wonderful
World of Disney." Oh yeah, and they also do reruns of "The Simpsons."
What other U.S. programming do they carry?
(And yes, hockey would probably be an issue, but only part of the year.)

Post by John Lodge
In the end the channel would be swiss cheese with Hours and Hours per
day displaying nothing but a Dialog box that the show or content was
blacked out.

I'm counting half an hour per weekday of the Simpsons and two hours on
Sunday for WWWoD. That's 4.5 hours a week. Where are you getting the
"hours and hours per day" figure?

More than just that. You're forgetting a lot of movies that the CBC airs
(some American) that would ALSO have to be blacked out. That's why the
Windsor, Ontario CBC station airs different programming than the
Montreal or the Calgary CBC station. You can get the CBC from Detroit,
MI, so they have programming that's different so it doesn't infringe on
the American rights.

Post by Patty Winter

Post by John Lodge
This would generate thousands of calls of complaints as
well as the added cost of those 800 calls and time of the CSR's to
explain this over and over and over again.

Has that been the case with the U.S. channels such as SpikeTV
that have had to black out certain shows when those channels
are shown in Canada? Have Rogers and Bell and StarChoice had
to add CSRs to handle the flood of calls from angry "Star
Trek" fans?

The New TNN/Spike TV often blacks out programming during American
national holidays when they show a day full of James Bond movies. We
Canadians get crap like that Pamela Anderson show all-day long. One day
(when they were The New TNN), we got a day full of 'Picket Fences'
reruns because they were showing God Father movies.

Post by Patty Winter
Patty

[Patty Winter]

Post by Bill_Gates
More than just that. You're forgetting a lot of movies that the CBC airs
(some American) that would ALSO have to be blacked out.

Possibly, but movies probably aren't as much of a problem as currently
running series.

Post by Bill_Gates
That's why the
Windsor, Ontario CBC station airs different programming than the
Montreal or the Calgary CBC station. You can get the CBC from Detroit,
MI, so they have programming that's different so it doesn't infringe on
the American rights.

So CBC Windsor doesn't air "Wonderful World of Disney" or "Simpsons"
reruns like other CBC stations do?

What about CBC Vancouver and other CBC stations that are carried on
U.S. cable systems? Do they have to change their programming, too?

Hang on for a second...Okay, I just checked the Seattle cable TV
listings for yesterday and today, and CBUT's schedule includes
WWoD, The Simpsons, a Harry Potter movie, and a few kids' shows
that I'm sure are also carried in the U.S. So that's interesting;
if program rights are a problem for CBET in Windsor, why aren't
they a problem for CBUT in Vancouver?

Post by Bill_Gates
The New TNN/Spike TV often blacks out programming during American
national holidays when they show a day full of James Bond movies.

Yes, but does it "generate thousands of calls of complaints" as
was originally stated would happen with CBC?


Patty

[John Lodge]

Patty,

First off, CBC is only on US Cable systems very near the US/Canada
Border. The reason some local Cable company's have CBC is because those
particular channels OTA signal overspills into a US DMA.

Since Local OTA viewers can't be blacked out from receiving this
overspill cable companies have been able to carry those channels in
WHOLE because of a Special Clause, called "Significantly Viewed". This
means if a significant number of viewers in a cable company's territory
can view OUT OF MARKET stations then the cable company can carry those
channels UNchallenged by ANY Local Market DMA Station's exclusive
Copyright holder, owner or licensee, for instance a Local DMA's station
holds an exclusivity contract for broadcasting syndicated programing
like "Everybody Loves Raymond", that local market DMA station paid for
exclusive rights in their market for each and every airing of that show.
This also applies to First run Network affiliated shows as well and, no
other station can carry that programing and deliver it to any households
in another stations DMA Territory by Contract, UNLESS (and its a BIG
ONE) another DMA's OTA signal spillsover to a significant numbers of
viewers in another stations' DMA and then and only then does that
Exclusive carriage agreement NOT apply and only with regard to that one
and only one Out of market station. These situations are evaluated on a
Case by case basis, based by DMA.

Since Dish is a national carrier they can NOT use this clause to carry
CBC and broadcast it to the entire US, this clause is only valid per
each occurance and only per that one market situation.

The New Satellite reauthoriztion law has the Significantly viewed
clause for DBS providers for the first time, but the FCC has to write
the rules (This is specified in the law, the FCC has 60 or 90 days
,Can't remember which, to write the rules). The new rules will not be
written for about another month or so.

It might be possible to carry CBC in only those markets that CBC or the
other networks' OTA signal spillsover. The answer as to if CBC can be
carried at all on Dish and only in those Border situations will have to
be decided by the FCC. Judging by the fact that the FCC is VERY MUCH PRO
NAB, I would guess that CBC or any out of Country OTA spillover will NOT
be addressed and or allowed by the FCC in the US under the Significantly
Viewed clause.

John

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Bill_Gates
More than just that. You're forgetting a lot of movies that the CBC airs
(some American) that would ALSO have to be blacked out.

Possibly, but movies probably aren't as much of a problem as currently
running series.

Post by Bill_Gates
That's why the
Windsor, Ontario CBC station airs different programming than the
Montreal or the Calgary CBC station. You can get the CBC from Detroit,
MI, so they have programming that's different so it doesn't infringe on
the American rights.

So CBC Windsor doesn't air "Wonderful World of Disney" or "Simpsons"
reruns like other CBC stations do?
What about CBC Vancouver and other CBC stations that are carried on
U.S. cable systems? Do they have to change their programming, too?
Hang on for a second...Okay, I just checked the Seattle cable TV
listings for yesterday and today, and CBUT's schedule includes
WWoD, The Simpsons, a Harry Potter movie, and a few kids' shows
that I'm sure are also carried in the U.S. So that's interesting;
if program rights are a problem for CBET in Windsor, why aren't
they a problem for CBUT in Vancouver?

Post by Bill_Gates
The New TNN/Spike TV often blacks out programming during American
national holidays when they show a day full of James Bond movies.

Yes, but does it "generate thousands of calls of complaints" as
was originally stated would happen with CBC?
Patty

[Patty Winter]

Post by John Lodge
First off, CBC is only on US Cable systems very near the US/Canada
Border. The reason some local Cable company's have CBC is because those
particular channels OTA signal overspills into a US DMA.

Yep.

Post by John Lodge
Since Local OTA viewers can't be blacked out from receiving this
overspill cable companies have been able to carry those channels in
WHOLE because of a Special Clause, called "Significantly Viewed". This
means if a significant number of viewers in a cable company's territory
can view OUT OF MARKET stations then the cable company can carry those
channels UNchallenged by ANY Local Market DMA Station's exclusive
Copyright holder, owner or licensee

Cool.

Post by John Lodge
These situations are evaluated on a
Case by case basis, based by DMA.

I'd expect CBET to have a higher number of U.S. viewers than CBUT,
simply because Windsor is nearer to Detroit than Vancouver is to
Seattle (or even to Bellingham). Yet is it true, as Bill said, that
CBET adjusts its programming to avoid airing shows that are licensed
in the U.S.?

Post by John Lodge
Since Dish is a national carrier they can NOT use this clause to carry
CBC and broadcast it to the entire US, this clause is only valid per
each occurance and only per that one market situation.

Right. Nonetheless, CBC doesn't carry a lot of programs that are also
licensed in the U.S. (In addition to the couple I mentioned originally,
there appear to be some morning children's programs I hadn't known about.
Since I don't watch children's TV, I don't know which of those are also
aired in the U.S., but a few of their names do sound familiar.)

Post by John Lodge
The New Satellite reauthoriztion law has the Significantly viewed
clause for DBS providers for the first time, but the FCC has to write
the rules (This is specified in the law, the FCC has 60 or 90 days
,Can't remember which, to write the rules). The new rules will not be
written for about another month or so.

Oh, that's a hopeful development!

Post by John Lodge
The answer as to if CBC can be
carried at all on Dish and only in those Border situations will have to
be decided by the FCC. Judging by the fact that the FCC is VERY MUCH PRO
NAB, I would guess that CBC or any out of Country OTA spillover will NOT
be addressed and or allowed by the FCC in the US under the Significantly
Viewed clause.

I thought the FCC only told Dish and DirecTV which channels they *had*
to carry. Can it also tell them which they *can't* carry? I see Canadians
complaining about the CRTC in that regard, but I thought things were
different here. Maybe only for national channels, not locals.


Patty

[John Lodge]

Patty,

CBC or any Canadian channels are NOT for the US Market. This means they
are NOT available in the US period. The only way for Canadian channels
to be allowed on either Dish or DirecTV is IF (BIG IF) the FCC allows
Dish and or DirecTV to carry them as Significanly Viewed in some
markets. Again this IS NOT LIKELY to happen as the FCC is the NAB's back
pockey.

John

Post by Patty Winter
I thought the FCC only told Dish and DirecTV which channels they *had*
to carry. Can it also tell them which they *can't* carry? I see Canadians
complaining about the CRTC in that regard, but I thought things were
different here. Maybe only for national channels, not locals.
Patty

[Patrick Martin]

Thanks John for explaining this. I wondered why the cable system in
Seattle could carry CBUT Vancouver.
But it doesn't look like Dish or Direct will be carrying CBC very soon.
So people if you want it, get a broker and sub to a Canadian service.
Star Choice has a better footprint in all of the US though.

Patrick

[[e-mail]]

That is a pretty simple answer. Vancouver and Seattle are separated by
over 100 miles of rough terrain. OTA reception of each others TV
transmissions is almost impossible at best. Detroit and Windsor on the
other hand, are separated by only a river and cross border reception is
much easier.

[Patrick Martin]

Channel 6 from Victoria gets into Seattle better as it is closer, but is
not carried on the cable. From Victoria to Seattle is not very far.I
believe CHEK is an IND but they do carry US programs.

Patrick

[s. hanrahan]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by John Lodge
The real reason is that CBC holds syndicated rights for LOTS and LOTS
of US programing but only for Canada.

It does? The only U.S. show I can think of that CBC runs is "Wonderful
World of Disney." Oh yeah, and they also do reruns of "The Simpsons."
What other U.S. programming do they carry?

You cited two shows that are shown worldwide. Beyond that, if the CBC
didn't show these syndicated American shows, and yes, Hockey Night In
Canada as well, no one in Canada would watch them, and CBC knows this.

[Bill R]

Post by snow
There are tons of Spanish stations south of the border on DISH, but no
Canadian channels like CBC. CBC would be a good choice as it is Canada's
national network. There must be a reason why Charlie won't add CBC.
I would think the ratings would be good since it is just north of us.
Charlie could add several local CBC broadcasts from cities like Montreal,
Calgary, and Vancouver. Naw, it won't ever happen. Probably related to $$.

The problem is that the CBC won't license its broadcasts for
use by the DBS services in the U.S. In case you haven't
noticed DirecTV doesn't carry any CBC stations either.

[[e-mail]]

It is very simple- such an addition would be illegal. CBC carries much
of the syndicated and network fare that is sold to US stations and as
such it would violate copyright and syndex laws. If you want CBC, why
not get an ExpressVu or Star Choice unit? I have one and they work fine
in the USA.

[Patty Winter]

Post by ***@aol.com
CBC carries much
of the syndicated and network fare that is sold to US stations

Such as?


Patty

[[e-mail]]

Quite a few I am sure but I cannot think of any right now.

[Patty Winter]

Post by ***@aol.com
Quite a few I am sure but I cannot think of any right now.

It would help if you would quote a bit of the posting you're responding
to so we can tell what you mean.

If this is a reply to my question asking you to provide evidence
for your assertion that "CBC carries much of the syndicated and
network fare that is sold to US stations," then you've just as good
as admitted that it was yet another of your unproven assertions.


Patty

[Patrick Martin]

In checking several CBC channels, I mainly find the US shows they run
are mainly children shows. The majority of the US shows are on CTV or
Global. Dish should carry CBC NewsWorld or NWI (Direct carries NWI
though.

Patrick.

[Bill_Gates]

Post by ***@aol.com
Quite a few I am sure but I cannot think of any right now.

If the CBC is running the James Dean classic 'Rebel Without A Cause'
during their late night movie, there could be an American cable channel
like Fox Movie Channel already w/ the rights. They show more American
programs than you think. Plus, during the daytime, they show American
childrens' educational programs like 'Cyberchase' that would compete for
American viewers' attention.

[s. hanrahan]

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 12:06:20 -0500, Bill_Gates

Post by Bill_Gates

Post by ***@aol.com
Quite a few I am sure but I cannot think of any right now.

If the CBC is running the James Dean classic 'Rebel Without A Cause'
during their late night movie, there could be an American cable channel
like Fox Movie Channel already w/ the rights. They show more American
programs than you think. Plus, during the daytime, they show American
childrens' educational programs like 'Cyberchase' that would compete for
American viewers' attention.

Using your example. If it's a 20th Century Fox film, it will be on
Fox Movie Channel. CBC or CTV own the syndication rights of American
syndicatted content in Canada.

[s. hanrahan]

Post by ***@aol.com
Quite a few I am sure but I cannot think of any right now.

Simpsons and Wonderful World Of Disney doesn't cut it as "quite a
few". Two shows, but not "quite a few" shows.

[Patrick Martin]

One thing is interesting though. If you live in a city fairly close to
the Canadian border like Seattle, one of the basic channels you get on
the local cable system is CBUT (CBC) Vancouver, BC. They have carried
that for years. As far as I know, they don't block any programming
either. Now why is that legal and yet Dish or Direct cannot carry the
channels? Someone should contest that. But probably what would happen is
the cable systems would not be allowed to carry it anymore. I doubt any
good would come out of it.

Patrick

[John Lodge]

Patrick,

Here is a repost regarding the exact same subject;

First off, CBC is only on US Cable systems very near the US/Canada
Border. The reason some local Cable company's have CBC is because those
particular channels OTA signal overspills into a US DMA.

Since Local OTA viewers can't be blacked out from receiving this
overspill cable companies have been able to carry those channels in
WHOLE because of a Special Clause, called "Significantly Viewed". This
means if a significant number of viewers in a cable company's territory
can view OUT OF MARKET stations then the cable company can carry those
channels UNchallenged by ANY Local Market DMA Station's exclusive
Copyright holder, owner or licensee, for instance a Local DMA's station
holds an exclusivity contract for broadcasting syndicated programing
like "Everybody Loves Raymond", that local market DMA station paid for
exclusive rights in their market for each and every airing of that show.
This also applies to First run Network affiliated shows as well and, no
other station can carry that programing and deliver it to any households
in another stations DMA Territory by Contract, UNLESS (and its a BIG
ONE) another DMA's OTA signal spillsover to a significant numbers of
viewers in another stations' DMA and then and only then does that
Exclusive carriage agreement NOT apply and only with regard to that one
and only one Out of market station. These situations are evaluated on a
Case by case basis, based by DMA.

Since Dish is a national carrier they can NOT use this clause to
carry CBC and broadcast it to the entire US, this clause is only valid
per each occurance and only per that one market situation.

The New Satellite reauthoriztion law has the Significantly viewed
clause for DBS providers for the first time, but the FCC has to write
the rules (This is specified in the law, the FCC has 60 or 90 days
,Can't remember which, to write the rules). The new rules will not be
written for about another month or so.

It might be possible to carry CBC in only those markets that CBC or
the other networks' OTA signal spillsover. The answer as to if CBC can
be carried at all on Dish and only in those Border situations will have
to be decided by the FCC. Judging by the fact that the FCC is VERY MUCH
PRO NAB, I would guess that CBC or any out of Country OTA spillover will
NOT be addressed and or allowed by the FCC in the US under the
Significantly Viewed clause.

John

Post by Patrick Martin
One thing is interesting though. If you live in a city fairly close to
the Canadian border like Seattle, one of the basic channels you get on
the local cable system is CBUT (CBC) Vancouver, BC. They have carried
that for years. As far as I know, they don't block any programming
either. Now why is that legal and yet Dish or Direct cannot carry the
channels? Someone should contest that. But probably what would happen is
the cable systems would not be allowed to carry it anymore. I doubt any
good would come out of it.
Patrick

[Patrick Martin]

Thanks John. I posted before I saw your reply earlier. I was wondering
what the rules were on that. But the CBC does not carry many US programs
either.

Patrick

[SG-1]

Post by snow
There are tons of Spanish stations south of the border on DISH, but no
Canadian channels like CBC. CBC would be a good choice as it is Canada's
national network. There must be a reason why Charlie won't add CBC.
I would think the ratings would be good since it is just north of us.
Charlie could add several local CBC broadcasts from cities like Montreal,
Calgary, and Vancouver. Naw, it won't ever happen. Probably related to $$.
__________________________________________________________
As a Canadian i can tell you there is nothing on CBC to watch other then

Hockey night in Canada, and of course non of that this year lol, so i
haven't even tuned in to CBC since last june lol. you are missing nothing.

[s. hanrahan]

Post by SG-1

Post by snow
There are tons of Spanish stations south of the border on DISH, but no
Canadian channels like CBC. CBC would be a good choice as it is Canada's
national network. There must be a reason why Charlie won't add CBC.
I would think the ratings would be good since it is just north of us.
Charlie could add several local CBC broadcasts from cities like Montreal,
Calgary, and Vancouver. Naw, it won't ever happen. Probably related to $$.
__________________________________________________________
As a Canadian i can tell you there is nothing on CBC to watch other then

Hockey night in Canada, and of course non of that this year lol, so i
haven't even tuned in to CBC since last june lol. you are missing nothing.

Exactly

[Patrick Martin]

CBC's news programs like "The National" are nice to watch though. They
run some comedies like This Hour Has 22 Minutes and Royal Canadian Air
Farce too.

Patrick

[Dee Vout VOF]

Post by snow
There are tons of Spanish stations south of the border on DISH, but no
Canadian channels like CBC. CBC would be a good choice as it is Canada's
national network. There must be a reason why Charlie won't add CBC.
I would think the ratings would be good since it is just north of us.
Charlie could add several local CBC broadcasts from cities like Montreal,
Calgary, and Vancouver. Naw, it won't ever happen. Probably related to $$.

Because CBC (The Canadian Government) won't allow DBS carriers in the
United States to carry their signal on satellite.

[TV View]

The CBC does not run many shows that are syndicated in the U.S., but
the problem has more to do with the rest of the schedule. Producers of
some programs airing on CBC may hope to earn additional revenue by
selling their program to other territories such as the U.S. There is
also a question of performance rights affecting many areas including
music. CBC or a program producer may have the rights to broadcast
something in Canada but not the U.S. They would have to make
substantially larger payments to get clearances south of the border.

Examples? "Red Green Show" airs on CBC but is also sold to PBS stations.
The program "Made In Canada" was retitled "The Industry" and aired on
a few PBS stations here. CBC runs the same Disney program as ABC on
most Sunday evenings. CBC has agreements with international broadcasters
for news and, in some cases, documentary material, for airing in Canada
only.

Look at the rights that various international broadcasters pay to air
the Olympic Games, and you'll get an idea of the big bucks and territories
involved. While sports is more specialized, the same principles apply
to entertainment and other programming.

CBC does have a lot of great programming -- and if I had to live with
only one television channel, it would be them. But CBC will never be
made available throughout the U.S. Canadian taxpayers would howl at
financing a channel for the United States. American broadcasters would
complain that they are unfairly being forced to compete with a
government-subsidized channel. And some Americans would object to the
content of CBC News, which offers a far more balanced, worldly and
sophisticated perspective on world events than U.S. channels.

The same rights issues concerning CBC also affect the BBC, which explains
why BBC America and BBC Canada are piss-poor and offer virtually no
programming that has recently aired on BBC domestic channels.

Get a shortwave radio and you can listen to CBC Radio during many hours
of the day and night.

mc

[Patty Winter]

Post by TV View
Get a shortwave radio and you can listen to CBC Radio during many hours
of the day and night.

I've heard Radio Canada International on the SW radio in my car; that's the
shortwave station of CBC, right? Also, CBC Radio 1 and I think CBC Radio
2 are available via Internet streaming. I tuned into Radio 1 the other
day to hear this Promo Girl that everyone's been raising a fuss about. ;-)


Patty

[Patrick Martin]

Radio is not as big a deal as TV. The rights of certain programs
generate a lot of money. Radio doesn't deal with that as much.

Patrick

[[e-mail]]

Not only that but when it comes to retransmission, it is a question of
how much trouble the average person will go to in order to see or hear
the programming. They know that 99.8% of us are not going to put up
huge antennas or buy special receivers or get RV waivers to get distant
or Canadian stations. They can live with that.

[s. hanrahan]

Post by TV View
Get a shortwave radio and you can listen to CBC Radio during many hours
of the day and night.

Actually you don't need one of those. Every CBC station across Canada
streams content on the web. I live close enough to Canada to receive
CBC Radio One (AM) in Saskatchewan like a local station. The internet
streams of each station is nice, allowing one to "time shift", as I
usually do wth the program "As It Happens".